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Posted 17 May 2006 - 06:07 PM

Please do read the post in the 'latest news' section of the forum:
http://www.contentgenerator.co.uk/forum/in...&st=0#entry1770

The key part of this refers to plans to change the way Practice Paper will be made available. Previously I planned to make this available to existing customers for free.

However, follow the recent rapid development of the new Grade or No Grade game I've felt the need to re-evaluate how I'm making these available. This new game has taken just under two weeks to produce, whereas the Practice Paper generator has taken months.

Thus, I plan to make the Practice Paper generator pay-for - 24.99 - and make Grade or No Grade available for free.

If you have concerns about this, please do post here - you can also download the latest beta for free and this will continue to work until the end of this month.

I do think this is a fair and appropriate solution, but I'm willing to listen! The one major benefit for all customers is that you'll get free access to another great game. It will also allow me to justify extensive development time on the Practice Paper application to make it work really well.
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Posted 18 May 2006 - 12:02 AM

eeek I better get cracking with the beta then, as a non PT I don't have control of the budget and as a hubby in the middle of a house renovation, I don't have control of the budget... :)

I actually think practice paper is the most useful tool of any you have done and is quite unique.

I'm not a fan of the dond show and haven't heard the kids talking about it ( unlike weakest link or millionaire ) so not sure if they would need a bit more explanation as to what you are trying to achieve in the game. Having played the examples I found it a bit de-motivating having fate decide the outcome after answering questions, unlike fling, penalty or the standard multi choice there seemed more pressure to quit the game early than to carry on. But then that's the format I guess.

So the up shot.. yes I agree PP is a more saleable product.

It might however be worth considering a mix and match approach to bundle prices. As I had been pushing the authority to negotiate for a region wide deal for all our secondaries knowing that PP would come too as well as the purchased options (I'd sent a message about this but have read that your having problems with this part of the site). If it is part of a totally separate bundle that is in development then choices will have to be made as to what to go for. So a bundle could be any 3 charged for programs.

I was actually demonstrating all of your programs at a CPD day I was asked by the region to deliver to ICT teachers ( I'm history myself ! ). All the feedback on them was very positive so hopefully more pressure will be brought to bear on those with the keys to the coffers.

So from a purely selfish point of view, this is bad news, it will mean parting with extra funds or dusting off opus pro. But I can understand and appreciate your position. Though I would say that free to purchasers PP does offer something markedly different to a different flavour of multiple choice quiz, that might encourage sales.

What is your estimated time of release for the PP, and will it have any extra features?

All the best.
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Posted 18 May 2006 - 12:11 AM

These are all good points. I can certainly see a worth in having Practice Paper as part of a bundle deal.

Your points about Grade or No Grade are also very pertinent.

Thanks for this, I'll think carefully about what do to. I hope to have the Practice Paper application available within a week or so. I will look carefully at the Practice Paper application though and see what additional features might be worthwhile.

I'm sure I can also work out some rewards (i.e. a free version) for those who have helped develop the application :)

My main aim to to keep producing as many useful activities as possible - but I do need to justify the immense amount of time I spend doing this.
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Posted 18 May 2006 - 05:46 AM

" I do need to justify the immense amount of time I spend doing this."

of course, and know that it is very much appreciated also as it is having a great benefit to pupils and if my pupils are anything to go by, it is having a hefty influence on raising their levels of achievement.

as ever, am in your debt

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ps.. when do[i] you actually sleep?
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Posted 18 May 2006 - 10:32 PM

View PostTim Laver, on May 18 2006, 07:46 AM, said:

" I do need to justify the immense amount of time I spend doing this."

of course, and know that it is very much appreciated also as it is having a great benefit to pupils and if my pupils are anything to go by, it is having a hefty influence on raising their levels of achievement.

as ever, am in your debt

:)

ps.. when do[i] you actually sleep?

I don't believe he does sleep - he's on here at unearthly hours of the night! (that or he lives in the US unbeknown to all of us!!)
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Posted 18 May 2006 - 11:21 PM

View Postgoneunderground, on May 19 2006, 12:32 AM, said:

I don't believe he does sleep - he's on here at unearthly hours of the night! (that or he lives in the US unbeknown to all of us!!)


If he lived in the US he'd have to have a plane to get to work. :P He does have a baby daughter, they do keep people awake. :)

I think your idea to make Practice Paper Generator pay for is fine considering all the development problems, and how well it works. :)
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Posted 28 May 2006 - 03:02 AM

Hi Andrew

Hope you do reconsider the decision to make Practice Paper a sales product. I have disseminated the information to my teachers on the powerful use of this software and we are of the assumption that it is indeed free. It is difficult for me to now revert - especially given that this is exceptional to most other softwares which are focused on MCQ. Also, I think this is by far the best for Maths and it is difficult for me to justify the change to the management.

hope you consider.

sulaiman

View PostAndrew Field, on May 17 2006, 07:07 PM, said:

Please do read the post in the 'latest news' section of the forum:
http://www.contentgenerator.co.uk/forum/in...&st=0#entry1770

The key part of this refers to plans to change the way Practice Paper will be made available. Previously I planned to make this available to existing customers for free.

However, follow the recent rapid development of the new Grade or No Grade game I've felt the need to re-evaluate how I'm making these available. This new game has taken just under two weeks to produce, whereas the Practice Paper generator has taken months.

Thus, I plan to make the Practice Paper generator pay-for - 24.99 - and make Grade or No Grade available for free.

If you have concerns about this, please do post here - you can also download the latest beta for free and this will continue to work until the end of this month.

I do think this is a fair and appropriate solution, but I'm willing to listen! The one major benefit for all customers is that you'll get free access to another great game. It will also allow me to justify extensive development time on the Practice Paper application to make it work really well.

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Posted 28 May 2006 - 07:39 AM

View PostMysulai, on May 28 2006, 04:02 AM, said:

Hi Andrew

Hope you do reconsider the decision to make Practice Paper a sales product. I have disseminated the information to my teachers on the powerful use of this software and we are of the assumption that it is indeed free. It is difficult for me to now revert - especially given that this is exceptional to most other softwares which are focused on MCQ. Also, I think this is by far the best for Maths and it is difficult for me to justify the change to the management.

hope you consider.

sulaiman


Well, as you were one of my first ever customers - and for the reasons you have mentioned aboue - I can make it available to you and your school for free.

In some ways though you have actually helped justify why I should make it a pay-for product. It is different to all the other software I produce, and it is one of the most powerful programs. It was only only ever going to be free for existing customers, rather than freeware. If "it is by far the best for Maths" that shold make it easier to justify any change in price.

I have also always had the statement on my pricing and purchase page:

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Please feel free to use the ContentGenerator.net forums or the contact us page for more information. Do bear in mind that this site is still being fully constructed and our plans may change as the ContentGenerator.net site develops.


As I've explained about it has changed from a program I thought would take a weekend to produce to something that has taken many months. The developments and improvements have taken it from a 'nice extra' to something that is a refined and professional program. The development time alone means I cannot justify just giving it away for free. However, as I have said above, I will make an exception for you due to your long term commitment to ContentGenerator.net.

I'm always keen to make software available to teachers for free. This is why I've released the Multi-choice quiz, Match-up quiz, Fling the Teacher and the new Grade or No Grade game. Yet I do have to justify the extensive development time that this takes.
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Posted 29 May 2006 - 04:29 AM

Thanks Andrew for your understanding. In fact, over in Singapore, I have been promoting your packages extensively. Just last Saturday, I shared with history teachers in Singapore (200 of them) on how this software could be used and gave them your website link. I have also show a lot of demo to them with examples from the school history.co.uk

Further to this, I have used the software to upload a lot of resources in my personal website. You might want to take a look at www.sulaimanyusof.com - click on the link at the left column: SBW SS or SBW history for the social studies and history sites. I have uploaded a lot of resources using the content generator games. Many teachers have expressed interest in purchasing the software but i think it will pick up more in a few months time. The reason being, for this 1 month, we are having school vacation.

Sadly I made a blunder in giving the link as www.contentgenerator.net when it should be http://contentgenerator.net I have emailed the amendment to the organisers to forward to the teacher participants. Also, in upcoming sharing sessions in july, I intend to share with more teachers (geography and social sutdies teachers) on the tools you have. I must agree that these tools are indeed very powerful and useful for development of interactive resources.

thanks again and you can bet on my continued trust and support.

sulaiman
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Posted 29 May 2006 - 10:20 AM

View PostMysulai, on May 29 2006, 06:29 AM, said:

Sadly I made a blunder in giving the link as www.contentgenerator.net when it should be http://contentgenerator.net I have emailed the amendment to the organisers to forward to the teacher participants. Also, in upcoming sharing sessions in july, I intend to share with more teachers (geography and social sutdies teachers) on the tools you have. I must agree that these tools are indeed very powerful and useful for development of interactive resources.


http://contentgenerator.net works fine. :blink:
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Posted 30 May 2006 - 03:17 PM

View PostMysulai, on May 29 2006, 05:29 AM, said:

Sadly I made a blunder in giving the link as www.contentgenerator.net when it should be http://contentgenerator.net I have emailed the amendment to the organisers to forward to the teacher participants. Also, in upcoming sharing sessions in july, I intend to share with more teachers (geography and social sutdies teachers) on the tools you have. I must agree that these tools are indeed very powerful and useful for development of interactive resources.

thanks again and you can bet on my continued trust and support.

sulaiman



Yes, just to confirm however you enter the link it will work - the link you have given people will work without any problem at all.

Your pages are also looking very impressive - excellent use of the programs. I will start a thread about the site and also add it to the links section. :blink:
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Posted 01 June 2006 - 04:02 PM

cheers for the extended beta
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Post icon  Posted 26 June 2006 - 05:23 PM

Hi Andrew,
A long time since we've spoken (emailed) - way back when the hampshire history site was still around!

I feel very strongly that your decision to levy a small but reasonable fee for a product (despite your intial idea of it being freeware) is fully justified. The amount of personal time that you have put into developing the websites and content applications that have evolved over the past seven or eight years is immense - and tied to that is the additional time that you have spent learning the developer applications from which the content apps are derived.

The cost is marginal when compared to the average Inset day costs that many schools seem to have. As the application can work across subject areas, a solution may be for a few departments to band together to cover the cost. A suggestion that may work for some.

Keep up the inspirational work,
Best regards
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